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Four Takeaways from HousingWire: The Gathering 2024

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May 14, 2024
By
Mike Waterston

HousingWire hosted its biggest annual event, The Gathering, last week in Scottsdale, Arizona, and the timing couldn’t have been better. From the recent NAR settlement to what the Fed will do with rates, the event was a perfect opportunity for top executives and thought leaders from around the housing industry to discuss the topics and trends steering the real estate and mortgage sectors through the coming months.

Total Expert Chief Lending Officer Dan Catinella was on site all week and heard some interesting perspectives from several big names across the industry. Here are his four most important takeaways from the event:

Takeaway #1: Rates aren’t dropping—but plenty of opportunity remains

HousingWire’s Logan Mohtashami and Altos Research’s Mike Simonsen examined key housing data trends in one of my favorite sessions. Mohtashami explained why the Fed will likely not cut rates until we see the labor market weaken further, meaning we’re firmly on the “higher for longer” path on the interest rate front.  

But Simonsen pointed out a silver lining: Inventory data shows rising rates typically increase inventory levels. However, he also stated that home prices are likely to remain stable, giving homebuyers little relief from the combo of high rates and high prices.

So, what should lenders do? Across other sessions, there was a large focus on how to identify and seize all the purchase opportunities available. Moreover, lenders need to prepare for the next wave of refinances. Simonsen noted that the longer rates stay higher, the more future refinance opportunities (or inevitabilities) will be created.

Dan’s take: Engage borrowers now—not when rates drop

Lenders can’t wait until rates finally drop to engage borrowers about refi opportunities. To keep competitors from stealing your refis—and leaving you with both long-term revenue losses and potentially massive immediate early payoff (EPO) penalties—you need to start talking to your borrowers now. Help them understand how to navigate a falling-rate environment (it’s coming…eventually)—like how to figure out when to pull the trigger on refinancing. This is the kind of genuinely useful engagement that consumers want. And, building trust and loyalty today will make your borrowers more likely to resist the flood of low-rate competitor offers.

Takeaway #2: The NAR settlement will shake things up

After a month of headlines and heated discussions about the National Association of Realtors’ settlement, NAR President Kevin Sears took the stage to talk through his view on how the settlement will impact his organization and the broader housing industry. Sears was also clear in his disappointment about how the national media has portrayed the real estate community in the coverage of the settlement.  

In many other sessions at The Gathering, speakers discussed strategies for both realtors and lenders to get ahead of the key impacts of the NAR settlement. Chiefly, all parties need to work together to make sure that consumers can still protect their interests as empowered and informed homebuyers. That starts with education to ensure that all homebuyers—but especially first-time and less-experienced homebuyers—understand the value and benefits of having buyer representation to support the American dream of homeownership.

Dan’s take: Loan officers must become more central to homebuyer education

The changes brought about by the NAR settlement validate what I’ve been preaching for years: Loan officers (LOs) need to position themselves as the starting point of the homebuying journey. The settlement will shake up referral pipelines, so LOs will need to double down on finding new buyers. But they also have a huge opportunity to foster deeper relationships by being that trusted partner who guides homebuyers through the process. That’s not to say LOs are replacing the role played by the buyer’s agent. Rather, LOs can help borrowers understand why they should work with a buyer’s agent, how to choose an agent, how to understand the new landscape of agent fees, etc.

Takeaway #3: Everyone is investing in analytics & AI

AI is the deafening buzz in every industry right now—and housing is no different. Both Rocket Mortgage CEO Varun Krishna and Lower.com CEO Dan Snyder talked about how their companies are using the technology to get new value from data and uncover new intelligence. More specifically, they both discussed how they’re focusing AI investments on understanding their consumers at an extremely deep level so they can ultimately engage at a hyper-personalized level to serve them at every financial milestone.

Much of the discussion I heard from executives aligned with these sentiments. Everyone wants to be the first to the consumer, and they recognize that using data and intelligence is the way to get there. The great thing is this is no longer theoretical: Mortgage lenders that have invested in data and intelligence tools have proven to increase conversions and retention rates. That trend will continue to widen as this technology continues to evolve.

Dan’s take: Intelligence isn’t about knowing more—it’s about knowing what matters

One reason the promise of Big Data never materialized for so many organizations is that they just ended up bombarded by more and more noise but couldn’t find the signal. Analytics and AI are supposed to solve that signal problem. But plenty of companies are still falling into the “more is more” thinking. The point isn’t just to know more about your customers; it’s to know how to act on that information—to know the things that actually matter and deliver more personalized experiences, more relevant offers, more useful education, and deeper relationships. To bring that to life, at some point, knowing more about consumers’ personal habits and interests becomes less and less valuable. But seeing the signal that they’re approaching a life milestone like a wedding, starting a family, or starting a new career gives you powerful insights to make more personal connections.

Takeaway #4: Vendor partnerships are critical

One recurring theme of The Gathering 2024 was that the most successful lenders aren’t innovating in a silo. They’re leaning on their vendor partners to spark innovation and accelerate growth.  

It felt great to see Total Expert highlighted as one of these trusted partners. Managing Director of NFM Lending Greg Sher discussed why his organization chose to implement Total Expert as their CRM and customer engagement platform. But beyond the Total Expert platform, Greg talked about how having vendors that actively take on a partnership role is critical to the overall success of an IMB. Greg called out the importance of having trust not just in the technology but also in the people—why belief in the leadership and people within your vendor’s organization helps build collective momentum on moving you both in the right direction, continue to innovate, and grow at enterprise scale.

Dan’s take: We’re building out our own partner network to add more customer value

With rates and home prices staying high, the housing market is looking at a bumpy ride for a while longer. But lenders shouldn’t be trying to tackle those challenges on their own. The Gathering showed just how many impactful technologies are out there that can quickly and sizably help lenders with their biggest goals and pain points. You should be looking for smart ways to leverage technology to flip challenges into competitive advantages.

That’s why Total Expert is expanding our own partnerships. We recognize that one of the best ways the Total Expert platform delivers value to our customers is by seamlessly integrating with the other tools and systems they rely on every day. So, we’re continuously adding more partnerships and integrations to make the Total Expert ecosystem more valuable to our customers.

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For most financial institutions, the customer relationship begins when someone fills out an application, walks into a branch, or picks up the phone. But that’s not when your customer’s journey begins.

Long before a borrower reaches out, they’ve already started forming an opinion about you, your competitors, realtors, and the mortgage industry in general. They’ve searched for lenders in their area, read reviews, seen the news, and talked to family, friends, and coworkers. They’ve probably even asked Claude or ChatGPT to compare rates from local banks and credit unions. They’ve scanned branch listings, looked at star ratings, and made a shortlist of their top choices. They’ve done a lot. And all without ever speaking to a single person on your team.

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The shift happening right now in borrower discovery

Borrower behavior has changed in ways that most financial institutions haven’t fully caught up with yet. For a long time, reputations in financial services were built through branch relationships, local presence, referrals, and personal trust. Those things still matter but, today, trust is often built or lost before a borrower ever speaks to a loan officer, banker, or advisor.

A borrower may first meet your brand through a Google search, an online review, a branch listing, a social post, or an AI-generated answer. They may ask AI platforms which lender is best for first-time homebuyers, which credit union has the best service, or which local bank is easiest to work with. In that moment, your reputation isn’t just what your brand says. It’s what the digital ecosystem can find, understand, and validate about you.

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For financial institutions, this matters because trust is a product you can’t put a price on. People are making decisions about homes, savings, credit, and their financial future. If your branch information is inaccurate, your reviews are negative or outdated, or customer feedback goes unanswered; you may lose the borrower before the relationship even starts.

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  • Monitoring and responding to reviews across Google and other platforms—quickly and at scale
  • Surfacing customer experience signals by branch, loan officer, product line, or market so teams can identify where trust is strong and where it’s breaking down
  • Building the content, consistency, and credibility signals that AI-driven answer engines use to recommend businesses to consumers

Birdeye’s State of AI Search 2026 report found that in an analysis of ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity, 80% of brands were cited at least once in AI-generated answers—but only 15% held the top citation position with their own owned domain. AI search rewards clarity, structure, and consistency. The financial institutions that win in AI-driven discovery will be the ones with the most trusted, complete, and credible local footprint.

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Most financial institutions don’t have a data problem. They have a connection problem.

Customer signals are everywhere: CRM records, reviews, surveys, branch interactions, loan officer conversations, and servicing feedback. The issue is that these signals often sit in separate systems. So, by the time a team sees the pattern, the moment to act has already passed.

Total Expert helps financial institutions manage customer engagement and relationship journeys. Birdeye helps them capture feedback, manage reputation, improve local visibility, and turn customer signals into action. Together, they connect the relationship layer with the reputation and experience layer—so the intelligence flows in both directions.

Here’s how the integration works in practice:

  • Lenders can request feedback from borrowers at important moments in the relationship journey—after an application, closing, branch visit, or servicing interaction
  • Survey responses and customer experience scores from Birdeye can flow back into Total Expert, giving relationship teams visibility into how borrowers are feeling inside the systems they already use every day
  • A positive review can strengthen local visibility and reinforce trust in that branch or advisor’s digital presence
  • A negative review or recurring complaint can trigger service recovery or escalation—before it becomes a bigger problem
  • Patterns in feedback data can become operational priorities, helping regional or branch leaders identify where the experience is breaking down and course-correct quickly

This is the shift financial institutions need to make: feedback shouldn’t sit in a dashboard. It should move into the daily workflow of the business.

From reactive to proactive: the future of experience-driven growth

The traditional model of reputation management was reactive. A customer leaves a review. Someone responds. A report gets created. Maybe a trend reaches leadership weeks later.

That model is too slow for how borrowers make decisions today.

PwC’s 2025 Customer Experience Survey found that 52% of consumers stopped using or buying from a brand after a bad product or service experience, and 29% stopped because of poor customer experience online or in person. Experience isn’t a soft metric. It directly affects loyalty and growth.

Together, Total Expert and Birdeye give financial institutions the tools to move earlier and act faster. AI can help teams listen at scale—bringing together signals from reviews, surveys, social channels, listings, and CRM systems. It can help teams act faster by identifying urgent issues, drafting responses, routing follow-ups, and giving branch and regional leaders clear next steps. And it can help leaders see what’s working: which branches are earning the strongest trust, which loan officers are creating the best borrower experience, and which themes are driving referrals and conversion.

This is where reputation management becomes something bigger: experience-driven growth.

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For Total Expert customers, accessing Birdeye is straightforward through the Expert Partner Network—the same ecosystem where lenders can access a range of integrated tools and services designed to support every stage of the borrower journey.

Instead of standing up a new workflow or managing a separate vendor relationship, Birdeye’s capabilities become part of how your team already operates. The feedback loop between Birdeye and Total Expert means your relationship data gets smarter over time, your team sees the signals they need in the right context, and your borrowers experience a more consistent, responsive institution at every touchpoint.

The lenders who win will earn trust before the first conversation

Winning in today’s market isn’t just about having the best rates or the most loan products. It’s about being the institution borrowers find, trust, and choose—often before they ever pick up the phone.

The financial institutions that get ahead will be the ones treating reputation as an operating signal rather than a marketing metric. They’ll use customer feedback as real-time intelligence. They’ll build the kind of consistent, trusted digital presence that earns borrowers in a world where AI is increasingly answering the question, “Who should I work with?”

That’s what Total Expert and Birdeye make possible—together.

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