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Jay Baer Challenged Total Expert Customers to Transform Their CX in Three Ways in Q3. Here’s How a Few Are Responding.

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July 25, 2022
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There’s no question about the fact that Total Expert knows how to throw an epic party! Accelerate was amazing, from top to bottom. As an attendee, my only complaint is that it was too short.

It’s hard to pick a favorite moment from an event jam-packed with so many great ones. I heard several people say their favorite part was the songwriters’ performance featuring Sarah Buxton and The Warren Brothers. Others are still talking about the bash at FGL House.

And, of course, that doesn’t even scratch the surface of the ~actual~ content, including a sneak peek at what’s coming next from Total Expert, amazing breakout sessions, and inspiring keynotes.

In his keynote, Jay Baer challenged everyone in the room to change the fact that only one in five borrowers return to their loan officer (LO) or lender for their second loan. One in five! While countless factors go into the borrower experience, Jay shared that three factors within LO control disproportionately affect the customer experience.

Focus on These Three

You can’t fix every customer experience issue at once, but you can get better at the three that matter most. Below is a recap of Jay’s most important takeaways, plus feedback from members of the Total Expert customer community of how they’re already putting Jay’s recommendations into action.

Be Quick

Customers are 2.4 times more likely to keep doing business with a brand if they receive prompt or quick support with their problems, so businesses must keep up with their customers’ demands if they want them to stick around. One of the best ways to provide quick service is to be proactive instead of reactive. What questions can you anticipate and answer before they arise? By tackling common questions in advance, you’ll exceed your customers’ expectations and save yourself time — an ultimate win-win.

Be Clear

Jay told a story about his friend who runs a successful moving company in Texas. Even though the company sent moving guidelines to each customer ahead of their moving date, they were surprised to read many negative reviews from confused customers. He realized that when people prepare for a move, they’re overwhelmed and aren’t necessarily taking the time to sit down and read an information packet. So, the business now sends multiple copies of the information via multiple channels — text, email, and mail — to ensure customers aren’t confused about the important details.

Borrowers are typically reaching out to you during exciting and stressful life circumstances. Plus, they often don’t know what they don’t know about the lending process, making things feel even more stressful and confusing. Identify the interactions you can make more clear to alleviate your customers’ concerns and you’ll be much more likely to earn their business again the next time.

Be Kind

While almost all of us would say we’re kind to our customers, sometimes we’re so busy rushing from one task to another that we can unintentionally come off as cold. Or, perhaps we try to “jump straight to the point,” leading with authority at the expense of empathy. We can be so anxious to tell them what we know that we forget to show them that we care. Customers are seeking validation — to feel seen, heard, and appreciated.

Jay shared a story about a time when he and his wife were boarding a Delta flight and the gate agent almost brought the couple to tears. The agent scanned Jay’s ticket, acknowledged how many miles he’s flown with the airline, and thanked him for his continued business. Then, the agent scanned his wife’s ticket and saw how much less she travels in comparison. She turned to her and thanked her for the sacrifices she must have made for her husband’s career. At that moment, Jay and his wife felt seen and appreciated, and that small act of kindness made the couple infinitely more loyal to the airline. What small acts of kindness can you incorporate into your borrowers’ journeys?

The Challenge

Jay’s challenge to marketers at Accelerate was to empower their LOs to become 15% more quick, more clear, and more kind over the next 90 days. While fixing everything at once is overwhelming and impossible, an incremental improvement rate of 15% in three key areas is realistic for LOs — especially given the urgency of customer retention in today’s marketplace.

I was curious how Total Expert customers are coming along with Jay’s challenge, so I reached out to a few of my friends to see how they’re doing and what specific changes their teams are implementing to get more quick, clear, and kind. Here are a few of my favorite responses.

Speed

Horicon Bank’s Grace Bruins connected with the need for speed. She says, “When Jay mentioned increasing speed and being more quick within our organization, I immediately thought about how we can reduce barriers for our customers – and our employees. Are there processes that we put in place that could be simplified? Banking regulation makes what we do so complicated, but our customers aren’t asking for complication. They’re asking for simplified solutions. So from the way we talk about products to the way we design them to the way we open them – how can we reduce the friction and offer straightforward solutions?”

Amber West from Hawthorn Bank says, “We know that when it comes to important financial decisions, there’s no substitute for talking to a local expert…fast! That’s why we make it easy for people to quickly connect with a member of the Hawthorn team. In addition to webforms and email addresses, our website gives the direct phone numbers and hours for the teams our customers rely on most. We take pride in providing not only a quick response but also a friendly one.”

Clarity

Brenda Knutson, marketing manager at Prevail Bank, shared this insight: “Our website has a great resource center with helpful videos and blog posts, however, it doesn’t close the uncertainty gap with a basic and concise FAQ page, which will be added. We will also focus on answering top questions where our customers spend their time — email, social media, and paid search ads — not just on our website. I fully embrace Jay’s belief that customer experience is marketing, and we need to do something that customers don’t expect because that makes it worthy of telling somebody the story. By educating and providing an amazing experience, we hope to create the loyalty that the Jay Baer philosophy describes.”

Prosperity Home Mortgage’s Jelarie Grillo knows that customer experience isn’t a set-it-and-forget-it exercise, especially when it comes to clarity in communication. She says, “We take the time to put together foundational journeys by putting ourselves in our customers’ shoes. Where do they struggle? Is their situation different than the person next to them? We look at each touchpoint and make sure we’re relaying information clearly. We review these journeys often and incorporate feedback from our customer and real estate partners. Each time we make an adjustment, the journey gets better. In our latest Executive Business Review, our journey emails had a 78% open rate.”

Kindness

Melissa Wright, chief sales and marketing officer at American Pacific Mortgage says, “We’re committed to Creating Experiences That Matter, and kindness is a major component. Our loan advisors are trained to treat customers like family and always prioritize human connection, especially in the moments that matter. Some of the ways we emphasize kindness include educating and advising before they even have to ask. The mortgage process can be daunting, and we offer eBooks, videos, weekly tips, and blogs aimed to educate the consumers in a way that shows care and meets them where they are on their homeownership journey. The value of the loan advisor is their knowledge, yet more than this is a caring individual that delivers an amazing experience that matters.”

Kayla Powell, director of marketing operations at Movement Mortgage, says she will also remind her team to double down on kindness as a differentiator. She says, “Our mission is to love and value people. Our goal is to not only put families in homes but to shine light in areas of darkness worldwide by taking our profits and pouring them into underserved communities. I’ve been an employee at Movement Mortgage for over seven years, and I feel more connected to this community and our company’s values every year. This company is a family, and our arms are open to helping those in need.”

It’s a Big Deal… Really!

Customer experience is the most important corporate differentiator in today’s competitive landscape. According to Bain & Company, 80% of companies believe they deliver outstanding customer service, yet only 8% of their customers agree. If you can provide quick, clear, and kind customer interactions, you can close the experience gap to get more referrals and repeat business.

What changes have you made to be quicker, clearer, and kinder in your business? I can’t wait to hear about the impact when we all reconvene for Accelerate ‘23 in San Diego. If you’re still feeling the Nashville ~vibes~, maybe you can even write a song called “Quick, Clear & Kind” and perform it on stage when we’re all back together in June!

In the meantime, check out this post with insight from Total Expert Founder and CEO Joe Welu on what it takes to deliver the perfect customer journey.

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Birdeye is the #1 Agentic Marketing Platform for multi-location brands. Financial institutions use Birdeye to manage their online presence, collect and respond to customer reviews, monitor local listings, and turn customer feedback into actionable growth intelligence. Birdeye’s platform unifies the marketing stack to help lenders, banks, and credit unions build trust at scale—branch by branch, advisor by advisor—so every part of the organization is earning customer confidence before, during, and after the relationship begins.

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For most financial institutions, the customer relationship begins when someone fills out an application, walks into a branch, or picks up the phone. But that’s not when your customer’s journey begins.

Long before a borrower reaches out, they’ve already started forming an opinion about you, your competitors, realtors, and the mortgage industry in general. They’ve searched for lenders in their area, read reviews, seen the news, and talked to family, friends, and coworkers. They’ve probably even asked Claude or ChatGPT to compare rates from local banks and credit unions. They’ve scanned branch listings, looked at star ratings, and made a shortlist of their top choices. They’ve done a lot. And all without ever speaking to a single person on your team.

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The shift happening right now in borrower discovery

Borrower behavior has changed in ways that most financial institutions haven’t fully caught up with yet. For a long time, reputations in financial services were built through branch relationships, local presence, referrals, and personal trust. Those things still matter but, today, trust is often built or lost before a borrower ever speaks to a loan officer, banker, or advisor.

A borrower may first meet your brand through a Google search, an online review, a branch listing, a social post, or an AI-generated answer. They may ask AI platforms which lender is best for first-time homebuyers, which credit union has the best service, or which local bank is easiest to work with. In that moment, your reputation isn’t just what your brand says. It’s what the digital ecosystem can find, understand, and validate about you.

The data backs this up. Birdeye’s State of Online Reviews 2026 report found that review volume grew 30.7% year over year in 2025, with Google capturing nearly 80% of all reviews. Meanwhile, McKinsey describes AI-powered search as the “new front door to the internet,” with research showing that half of consumers already use AI-powered search and that AI search could influence $750 billion in revenue by 2028.

For financial institutions, this matters because trust is a product you can’t put a price on. People are making decisions about homes, savings, credit, and their financial future. If your branch information is inaccurate, your reviews are negative or outdated, or customer feedback goes unanswered; you may lose the borrower before the relationship even starts.

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Birdeye replaces fragmented point tools with one full-cycle platform. Instead of forcing small teams to manually update data, custom AI agents execute marketing playbooks autonomously across hundreds of locations. For financial institutions, it helps manage the full digital presence of every branch, advisor, and location—at scale.

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  • Keeping branch and location data accurate and consistent across every major listing platform and search engine
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  • Monitoring and responding to reviews across Google and other platforms—quickly and at scale
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  • Building the content, consistency, and credibility signals that AI-driven answer engines use to recommend businesses to consumers

Birdeye’s State of AI Search 2026 report found that in an analysis of ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity, 80% of brands were cited at least once in AI-generated answers—but only 15% held the top citation position with their own owned domain. AI search rewards clarity, structure, and consistency. The financial institutions that win in AI-driven discovery will be the ones with the most trusted, complete, and credible local footprint.

That’s exactly what Birdeye is built to create.

How Total Expert and Birdeye work together

Most financial institutions don’t have a data problem. They have a connection problem.

Customer signals are everywhere: CRM records, reviews, surveys, branch interactions, loan officer conversations, and servicing feedback. The issue is that these signals often sit in separate systems. So, by the time a team sees the pattern, the moment to act has already passed.

Total Expert helps financial institutions manage customer engagement and relationship journeys. Birdeye helps them capture feedback, manage reputation, improve local visibility, and turn customer signals into action. Together, they connect the relationship layer with the reputation and experience layer—so the intelligence flows in both directions.

Here’s how the integration works in practice:

  • Lenders can request feedback from borrowers at important moments in the relationship journey—after an application, closing, branch visit, or servicing interaction
  • Survey responses and customer experience scores from Birdeye can flow back into Total Expert, giving relationship teams visibility into how borrowers are feeling inside the systems they already use every day
  • A positive review can strengthen local visibility and reinforce trust in that branch or advisor’s digital presence
  • A negative review or recurring complaint can trigger service recovery or escalation—before it becomes a bigger problem
  • Patterns in feedback data can become operational priorities, helping regional or branch leaders identify where the experience is breaking down and course-correct quickly

This is the shift financial institutions need to make: feedback shouldn’t sit in a dashboard. It should move into the daily workflow of the business.

From reactive to proactive: the future of experience-driven growth

The traditional model of reputation management was reactive. A customer leaves a review. Someone responds. A report gets created. Maybe a trend reaches leadership weeks later.

That model is too slow for how borrowers make decisions today.

PwC’s 2025 Customer Experience Survey found that 52% of consumers stopped using or buying from a brand after a bad product or service experience, and 29% stopped because of poor customer experience online or in person. Experience isn’t a soft metric. It directly affects loyalty and growth.

Together, Total Expert and Birdeye give financial institutions the tools to move earlier and act faster. AI can help teams listen at scale—bringing together signals from reviews, surveys, social channels, listings, and CRM systems. It can help teams act faster by identifying urgent issues, drafting responses, routing follow-ups, and giving branch and regional leaders clear next steps. And it can help leaders see what’s working: which branches are earning the strongest trust, which loan officers are creating the best borrower experience, and which themes are driving referrals and conversion.

This is where reputation management becomes something bigger: experience-driven growth.

Accessible through the Expert Partner Network

For Total Expert customers, accessing Birdeye is straightforward through the Expert Partner Network—the same ecosystem where lenders can access a range of integrated tools and services designed to support every stage of the borrower journey.

Instead of standing up a new workflow or managing a separate vendor relationship, Birdeye’s capabilities become part of how your team already operates. The feedback loop between Birdeye and Total Expert means your relationship data gets smarter over time, your team sees the signals they need in the right context, and your borrowers experience a more consistent, responsive institution at every touchpoint.

The lenders who win will earn trust before the first conversation

Winning in today’s market isn’t just about having the best rates or the most loan products. It’s about being the institution borrowers find, trust, and choose—often before they ever pick up the phone.

The financial institutions that get ahead will be the ones treating reputation as an operating signal rather than a marketing metric. They’ll use customer feedback as real-time intelligence. They’ll build the kind of consistent, trusted digital presence that earns borrowers in a world where AI is increasingly answering the question, “Who should I work with?”

That’s what Total Expert and Birdeye make possible—together.

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